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Posted: 23 July 2012 08:42 AM   [ Ignore ]
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i think my kylo is haunted .....

ok i open a FOLDER with say 50 bookmarks in it

a lot of them instead of am image inside start with the ´wheel´
and THEY start playing maybe 10 channels at same time EVEN THOUGH I HAVE NOT SELECTED any bookmark

then as the ´wheel´´ stops in each one the voices drop off untill when there are no ´wheels´´ it is silent

NONE OF THE BOOKMARKS ARE OPEN NO IMAGES JUST THE SOUND OF EACH CHANNEL

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Posted: 23 July 2012 04:27 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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It’s got to be related to how we take snapshots for the thumbnails. The page is actually being loaded so that we can render the still-frame. I’m having trouble recreating the problem so I can test. In general with the pages I’m trying, it seems page load is faster than audio/video load so the screenshot is complete before you get the audio from the video. Could you send me some links to test with? I don’t need all fifty in your folder, just a couple. I’m assuming all the links in this folder are similar formats, correct?

Which flavor of Windows are you running on in this case? It probably shouldn’t happen again, btw - assuming your thumbnails stay cached.

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Posted: 23 July 2012 05:49 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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no it is a common problem with me and others who have kylo .....it scares some customers as all of a sudden people start screaming singing etc ....xp/vista/W7 all sorts


http://my.liveireland.com/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/listen/live/r5l.asx

http://itn.co.uk/

http://www.youtube.com/aljazeeraenglish

http://news.sky.com/#videoTimeline

http://www.euronews.com/news/streaming-live/

I and my customers use TOOLWIZ .....

i think my   thumbnails are NOT staying cached .....

i cant see it makes any difference about them being updated as long as each bookmark has a thumbnail it dont EVER need updating as it just a rough picture of the channel .... it can slow things down a lot if you got a lot in the folder ...

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Posted: 24 July 2012 02:57 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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The thumbnails should only expire once about every 30 days. I doubt ToolWiz could cause the thumbnails to be discarded without destroying all your bookmarks as well. If this happens every time you open that folder, we have a bigger problem. I may have you zip up your profile directory and send it my way. I’m gathering that you’ve copied your profile directory to your customers’ machines? I also take it that this problem specifically occurs when opening this one folder of bookmarks (that all your customers have as well)?

There isn’t much I can do about this right now, but I’ll keep it on the list of things to look in to.

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Posted: 24 July 2012 03:22 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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no it dont happen every time i open a special folder its a general problem and my music folder must have 100 bookmarks in it so could have 10 of them ´´wheeling´´ around at once it seems to be when they not been opened before for a while , in what you are saying i would have thought that some folders might not be opened in a year as i include everything for everyone and not everyone wants the local Bulgarian shopping channel .

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i just opened my radio folder and it had 5 ´´wheels´´ out of 20 bookmarks it played two radio stations at once without me selecting them for about a minute and took 2 mins to give me thumbnails on all of the bookmarks…

why cant the thumbnail be added when the bookmark is added and leave it at that ...why the need to update it ....its only a image and to small for you to see much ...just a big of color really

thanks for all your help ....

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Posted: 24 July 2012 05:11 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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could you please post a screenshot of one of the folders of bookmarks? I just want to make sure we’re talking about the same thing. If there’s some way you could get me the profile data in a zip, and that’d be great. pm me with a link or I’ll try to set up an ftp if you can’t get it uploaded somewhere.

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Posted: 24 July 2012 07:27 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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got the screen shots where ...whats the email address to send em to

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Posted: 27 August 2012 12:16 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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one folder took 20 mins to load other day there were about 50 voices going at same time .....

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Posted: 03 September 2012 05:13 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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help help help

i have these four films in a folder called sherlock holmes ....


http://ia600204.us.archive.org/23/items/secret_weapon/secret_weapon_ipod_512kb.mp4

http://ia600702.us.archive.org/12/items/SherlockHolmes-TheWomanInGreen/SHERLOCK_HOLMES_THE_WOMAN_IN_GREEN.mp4

http://ia700307.us.archive.org/33/items/dressed_to_kill/dressed_to_kill_512kb.mp4

http://ia700609.us.archive.org/33/items/TerrorByNight_weirdnessBadMovie/TerrorByNight_512kb.mp4

the noise every time you open it can take 10 mins just to get to play a film !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Posted: 07 September 2012 04:18 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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in another folder EVER TIME YOU OPEN IT EVEN IF IT WAS OPENED 10 MINS BEFORE YOU GET BOOKMARKS STARTING UP .....it is now 10 mins befotre you can start watching anything

THIS PROBLEM IS GETTING WORSE


no thumbnails just big white stars !!!!

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Posted: 07 September 2012 04:26 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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OK THE LATEST if you leave the FOLDER OPEN .....EVERY 10 MINUTES THE BOOKMARKS WITH THE WHITE STAR (no thumbnail??) start screaming all at once for about 5 mins
with the audio of say 10 films playing ...the wheel turns inside the thumbnail,and then ends up back with the white star ...then in another five mins it repeats the whole thing
nonstop on and on forever…...................

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Posted: 07 September 2012 05:03 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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OK open the folder ....now have AUDIO FROM EIGHT FILMS SCREAMING AT ONCE .....wheel turning in the middle ...then back to WHITE STAR .....every time you open the folder….this all start all over again—

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Posted: 07 September 2012 05:28 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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Yes… to summarize: You’re having problems with audio playing while thumbnails are generated.

I’m trying to get the time to fix this and cut a new build. I’ve already done some legwork, and I see where some of the problem is:

1) It’s trying to get thumbnails for mms://, rtp://, udp://, etc. links, which will never work, but it waits for document load (which will never happen) for a full minute before it gives up… In the meantime, audio could start playing

2) It tries to get thumbnails for video urls (We never expected people to bookmark video files), but again, it waits for an event that will never happen for a full minute before it gives up… meanwhile… audio starts playing

3) For evil evil evil pages like the tvdez.com sites which are absolutely lousy with popups and potential malware, the thumbnail generator is still waiting for document load complete - which may not happen or take a very long time because the site has a long cycle of javascript loading. So again, full minute before timeout… audio is playing…

4) For all three above, when the thumbnails fail to generate because it times out before document load completion, it’s going to re-try the thumbnail generation the next time you go back to that screen in bookmarks. So the cycle begins again.

5) While each thumbnail is given a minute to load the page before timeout, all the bookmarks that need new thumbnails wait their turn before that timer starts. So the effect is that each bookmark is “loading” for much longer than a minute.

6) In some cases, it looks like it’s trying to load too many thumbnails, and so it’ll just get bogged down and you may run into audio starting on one or more of the bookmarks… This needs to throttle appropriately. There’s already a preference in about:config to handle some of the throttling. You can go into about:config and look for “pagePreview.numGenerators”. Set this to 1 to prevent more than one thumbnail from being generated at once (you’ll still see multiple spinning progress indicators, but only one will be loading a page at a time).

7) It’s true that I need to adjust the expiry time for the thumbnails. It’s currently set to EXPIRE_WEEKS which is a Mozilla concept that chuck out data for unvisited links twice a month. I will definitely set that to EXPIRE_WITH_HISTORY, which will keep the data as long as you don’t flush history.

I do not yet understand this scenario of the thumbnail generation process getting kicked off on an interval while the bookmark screen is open and Kylo remains untouched. I’ll try to recreate that.

It’s pretty safe to say we never expected anyone to load up 2000 bookmarks into this thing or give it direct links to streaming URLs. And unfortunately, when “we” built this thing, “we” were more than just “me”. I am trying very hard to support this free software that I’ve grown very attached to by myself, but keep in mind that this is now officially an open community project, so it’s up to me to find personal time to work on fixing/changing things.

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Posted: 07 September 2012 05:55 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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yes i do realize that you are putting a lot of effort into KYLO ...i think in the end it will be picked up as something a lot of people will use .... there is nothing half as good out there ....

thanks for all your help ....

1. yes also mms and rtsp using VLC
2. YES youtube and putlocker dont have thumbnails
3.now we got ADBLOCK that helps a lot with TVDEZ ....but its got a lot of good channels that are not deleted ...
4.yes when you open the folder ie ´´BRITISH FILM´´ which might have 50 films inside it ...
5. def yes !!!
6.i will look into this
7.a ok
7b its where the FOLDER is open and the BOOKMARKS with WHITE STARS just start with the wheels again ....
8.again THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR TIME ..

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Posted: 07 September 2012 06:05 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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6.wow i can take cotton wool out of my ears ...a LOT better ....

errrr what happens it i change it to ZERO ......????


try loading these all in a single folder .... there is something weird about the stuff from the archive.org
but its hundred of free and legal films so can not ignore it

http://ia600204.us.archive.org/23/items/secret_weapon/secret_weapon_ipod_512kb.mp4

http://ia600702.us.archive.org/12/items/SherlockHolmes-TheWomanInGreen/SHERLOCK_HOLMES_THE_WOMAN_IN_GREEN.mp4

http://ia700307.us.archive.org/33/items/dressed_to_kill/dressed_to_kill_512kb.mp4

http://ia700609.us.archive.org/33/items/TerrorByNight_weirdnessBadMovie/TerrorByNight_512kb.mp4

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Posted: 07 September 2012 09:58 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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Setting pagePreview.numGenerators to 0 causes infinite spinning wheels for bookmarks without thumbnails (not sure why it doesn’t just go back to the star… sigh….)... but it also means the pages won’t load behind the scenes, so no audio glitches. Not a long term solution, but if it gets you want you need for the short term, have at it.

I already made up a folder of the archive movie bookmarks when I did my earlier legwork. It definitely hit the background audio problem immediately, but what else is weird? If you have a folder full of those it will always fail to make thumbnails and will play the audio every time. But I guess you’re getting at something else… is this where you get the problem of the audio kicking back on after 5/10 minutes?

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